“后司街夜谭”第二场对谈记录：天台新城的前世今生

褚留香

<p><font size="4">讨论的重点，似乎应该是如何合理用这块地，如何推广和建设，至于农民，肯定是有收益的。最羡慕杭州的农民，个个被征地后成了土财主，一年收收房租十几万，还不用上班，真有钱。</font></p><p><font size="4">但一个问题是，新城的房子都卖出去了吗？入住率如何？我感觉好几年了，还是那样，没有一点生机啊，房子都没人住，搞到后来，广场四周全变成了红灯区。天台没有什么流动人口，房地产的前景怎么样，先不管被征地的，对于社会会造成什么影响，这个我不大了解。发展房地产是一个必然趋势，可能真是步子迈大了，挂在半空，成了现在这个局面。不过天台老板有钞票的木佬佬，听说房子卖得很快，哈哈。</font></p><p><font size="4">我可以证明，丁确实是跟农民打交道的，土到彻底的农民。</font></p><p><font size="4"></font></p>

无铭

<p>土地征收，钱到了农民手中，暂时来说是富了，可是没有安排他们工作（天台的公司太少，安排不了这么多人就业），导致乱投资或赌博成风。现在去看看，嘿嘿，不说了。</p><p>钱再多也有用完之时，只有固定的工作和社保，对他们失去了土地的农民来说是最好的回报。</p>

褚留香

<font size="4">嘿嘿，杭州的农民每年都有股金分成的哦，原因就是他们大多有村办企业和物业出租的收益。天台确实没什么企业，不能保障持续集体收益。</font>

快乐老狼

<p>不要争农民了</p><p>我才是农民</p><p>我家被征收了不少土地 哈哈</p><p>给些信息：</p><p>1：农民 是新城受害者，尽管短期看拿到了不少比种田好的钱</p><p>2：村里有留存发展用地，但不够养活村民的</p><p>3：年纪大的政府补贴，可以一次性办理养老金。以后每个月能拿两百块好像，我老爸办了。具体能拿多少金额忘了。好像65岁开始拿&nbsp;&nbsp; 一次性处理是自己拿1w 政府补1w。相当于2w 购买了养老保险</p><p></p><p>刚才写了很多&nbsp; 不小心搞没了 不重写了 呵呵</p><p></p><p></p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-10-31 16:16:51编辑过]

丁

<p>导致乱投资或赌博成风和有没有工作没有必然关系,政府可没叫你乱投资,政府也没叫你赌博!</p><p>据我所知,失土农民社保好象基本都保了的....</p><p>后续发展问题大家一直在探讨,有模式可套,可以照搬,目前是起步阶段,社会主义初级阶段,总不能一步进入共产主义,要有个过程.</p>

一诺千金

<p>谢谢农民</p><p>嘿嘿！</p>

许欣

<p>天台有句老话叫：“荒田无人耕， 耕耕有人争”。只要人气上去，什么都好办。不管新城的初衷为啥，现在只能硬着头皮继续招商呀。</p><p>不过良田变水泥钢筋的确可惜，天台有那么多的山，能利用一下该多好。</p>

芋头

我是新城玉湖村的，客观的讲新城开发对新城老百姓是有好处的。可以说当初征地的时候老百姓是很支持的。但是目前最大的问题是拆扦问题，以前征地的时候老百姓以为跟茅导师村一样马上要拆扦，能有一个好的居住环境。可是现在只是一个梦想了。

芋头

<p>新城开发目前几大败笔</p><p>1：引来天中，招来大家的反对声，不如建一所好的小学，这样对房地产开发更有利</p><p>2：天皇大厦，在新城的中心建了一个高高的工厂真的不谐调。不知道是谁的主意，看以后能不能改成宾馆。</p><p>3：行政部门把好一点地方都占走了，不利于新城的开发。</p><p>4：商业街一间到顶式的设计，从长远讲不利于商业街的发展</p><p>5：说建成金融中心，目前没有一家金融机构入驻</p>

俺想做头猪

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>abracadabra</i>在2006-10-30 17:40:00的发言：</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;主持人：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">大家晚上好！今天的话题是天台新城。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 2;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>Qsy</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 2;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">新城，很好啊。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42pt; mso-char-indent-count: 4.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">主持人：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我们先来回顾一下天台新城的简单情况。网上搜索了一下，</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42pt; mso-char-indent-count: 4.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 没有</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">完整的介绍。大家把知道的情况说一下，豆子比较熟悉</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42pt; mso-char-indent-count: 4.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 情况，先</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">当嘉宾。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42pt; mso-char-indent-count: 4.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">主持人：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">天台新城南起清溪桥头，北至科山，大致覆盖原玉湖、丽泽等地，</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 126pt; mso-char-indent-count: 12.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">占地约十余平方公里。好像是从</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">2003</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年开始建设，到今年</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">5</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">月</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 126pt; mso-char-indent-count: 12.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">新行政中心落成告一段落。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 2;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>Qsy</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 2;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">地处高速，</span><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">出口很有前途。不过，这么一弄，我回老家都找不到</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 126pt; mso-char-indent-count: 12.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">路了，呵呵。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42pt; mso-char-indent-count: 4.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">郑鸣谦：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我想先提几个问题，新城决策的背景是什么？为什么要迁？</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>Abracadabra</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：</span><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我听到的小道消息是说，<font color="#f73809"><u>当年某省领导到天台</u></font></span><font color="#f73809"><u><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">在始丰溪边上大</span></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font color="#f73809"><u><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">手一挥：你们的坛场太小了</span></u></font><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">要搞大点嘛！所以就搞出了个天台</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;新城。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 42pt; mso-char-indent-count: 4.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">郑鸣谦：</span><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">现在建设起来，是否达到预期目的？</span></p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 2;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">无铭：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 2;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">应该说有点进展，主要是政治中心移到新城了。</span><br/></div><p>那是２００１年，天台新城列入省级开发区的时候，省经贸委的一名领导（当时传他要成为副省长）。不过那时候新城各项规划已经成方案了。</p><p>更早之前，张德江来天台视察的时候，也曾经对天台县发展定位为中等城市有过指示（原先定位是小城市，经领导一改动，便就成了旅游中等城市）</p>